Curse

Moloch Vein · Jan 07, 2008, 03:19 AM // 03:19

=*= Introduction and Soul Reaping =*=

Lore-wise, the patron God of necromancers is Grenth, God of Death and Lord of the Underworld. It should come as no surprise that it is a class intimately connected to death. Necromancer skills are the only ones capable of exploiting a corpse for a purpose other than reviving it, and even their primary attribute is tied to the death of creatures. Ironically, there have even surfaced necromancer builds requiring you to kill yourself.

The necromancer excels at potent, long-lasting hexes in the Curses spell school. Death Magic allows a necromancer to fill the role of a "Minion Master" or "Minion Bomber", creating undead allies to fight for you, as well as some limited tools to inflict conditions and do direct damage. Blood Magic is mainly used for party-wide energy support and damage- or life-stealing buffs through the use of skills like Blood Ritual, Blood Is Power and different Orders spells.

Necromancers are traditionally defined as a "midline" class. This means they are the second line of battle, with melee fighters being the first and healers and other support characters being the last. Necromancers usually stand at casting range of the enemy. However, there are support roles that a necromancer can fill, which calls for a more retracted position, in the backline or even further back in some cases. The only job the necromancer is truly ill-suited for is true tanking and frontline functions. While it is possible to create a melee necromancer it will always be a gimmick build, and usually a very fragile one. This is because necromancers have few strong heals, few inherent skills to improve their defense, and none to improve their weak armor. No caster class makes a weaker frontline character than a necromancer.

This physical fragility is eminently compensated for by the positive aspects of the class. Necromancers are high-influence characters who can easily affect both multiple allies and multiple foes with a wide assortment of skills. It is a class superbly suited for general PvE play, where fighting large mobs is common. To further enhance their status, the necromancer skill lines include extremely potent skills, such as Spoil Victor, capable of destroying powerful single creatures almost single-handedly.

The primary attribute of a necromancer is Soul Reaping. At this time of writing, Soul Reaping returns 1 energy to you for every rank in Soul Reaping, everytime a non-Spirit creature dies. Energy return from Soul Reaping is limited to three hits every 15 seconds. The Soul Reaping line includes very little skills. Because of this, the attribute is often very undervalued by a newbie necromancer, who does not understand its power and routinely specs it absurdly low. It is a common misconception among new players that the class with the deepest energy pool is the Elementalist, with the capacity of having twice the amount of energy compared to any other character. The truth is that no caster will have more energy to spend over time in a PvE setting than the necromancer, thanks to the passive energy-gaining effect of its primary.

The long-lasting, mass-effect spells of the necromancer line combined with the primary attribute makes the necromancer the most resilient PvE spellcaster in the game. While a mesmer can potentially shut down a single target better, and while an elementalist can carry skills doing great damage on paper, no class is capable of producing as many debilitating effects to a group of monsters over an extended time, and no single character can hurt this group as badly as a necromancer.

This guide will take the form of background information combined with common questions and answers. It is geared with the newbie player in mind, but hopes to serve as a bridge to allow these people to improve to higher levels of play. It will include many builds and comparisons between these builds.

=*= I just created a Necromancer. What secondary should I pick? =*=

By far the most common secondaries for N are Mo and Me. Use Me if you are interested in hexes primarily. Use Mo if survival and/or minions are more attractive. Use /D if you want to run a /D Minion Master build - however, please note that you can not run a good N/D Minion Master build with no Mystic Regeneration, and that spell is only available at the end of Nightfall. Since you really won't use many other Dervish skills on an MM bar than Mystic Regeneration, it would probably be better to go with the Monk secondary for most new players, because that gives you a decent assortment of useful skills as you play through the game. After you have Ascended, you will be able to change your secondary to any you want. Then, you might want to consider, for example, /Rt if you want to be able to fulfill the role of party healer.

=*= I am only level <a>. I do not have skill <b> and <c>. I only own campaign <d>. Please give me a build =*=

First you need to understand what restriction this puts on people trying to help you. It is hard for us to know exactly which skills you have, what armor you're using, what monetary resources, and which skills you are able to buy at your point in the game. So, this is going to be generic advice only. It will also hold true for all classes.

The builds presented below are all level-20 builds, and they incorporate the skills most beneficial to them, including the elite skills. What you could try to do would be to find a close match to any skill you are missing. For example, if you're instructed to use Spiteful Spirit, it could be replaced with Mark of Pain or Insidious Parasite.

The second thing to understand is that you are limited. You don't have a fully-fledged character yet, and your skill usage must reflect this. You shouldn't mindlessly spec into six different attributes. Concentrate. Concentrate on the one role you wish to perform. Use only your primary attribute and one other attribute. Only include a third attribute if you really, really, really have to. One example for this "needed" third attribute would be anything helping you heal as a minion master.

A minion master build can be easily run with no elite. The same thing is true for a curses build, but it will be considerably less effective. A blood build with no elite will be nearly completely useless in general PvE. I would wholeheartedly recommend a MM build for a newbie player, consisting simply of one healing spell, two minion spells and Blood of the Master. It will get you through the game... easily.

Moloch Vein · Jan 07, 2008, 03:19 AM // 03:19

=*= Minions and Death =*=

Marty edit: Aura of the Lich has been updated since the writing of this article. See the link for current functionality. It's currently meta.

While there are exceptions, most Death Magic builds revolve around minions. This is because it is the unique characteristic of the spell line, and because other skill lines are usually better at performing its other functions, like direct damage, limited hex capacity and the spreading of conditions (with the notable exception of Disease, which can only be inflicted by Death Magic skills.)

=*= A few notes about Minion Mastery versus Minion Bombing =*=

A Minion Master and a Minion Bomber serves different purposes. The job of a Minion Master is to raise and maintain an army of minions. This army is used for dealing direct physical damage and attracting enemy attention, aka "tanking". A Minion Master is an extremely strong addition to the team at low and medium-level PvE. Their value decreases as enemies become too high level to actually be threatened by a level 18 Bone Fiend. The only way to prolong their effectiveness in higher end PvE is by using Order of Undeath, or to a lesser extent to function as minion wall maintainer via Aura of the Lich in some areas - Tombs of the Primeval Kings and Urgoz' Warren comes to mind.

A Minion Bomber, on the other hand, focuses on creating short lived minions which are blown up via the use of Death Nova and either Taste of Death, Putrid Flesh or Feast for the Dead to deal direct armor ignoring damage to the enemy and spread conditions. Because of this, the level and durability of the minions of a MB is not important, which is why Animate Bone Minions is usually (and preferably) the only minion spell used by the MB. The only meaningful Death Magic elite for a PvE Minion Bomber is Jagged Bones.

Because the inclusion of a Minion Bomber drastically increases the occurrences of deaths while in combat, the second use of this character lies in creating the energy machine that the other necromancers on the team benefit from passively. Team configurations using many Necromancers greatly benefit from the inclusion of a Minion Bomber, more so than by the inclusion of a Minion Master. A Minion Bomber can be used as an engine for a N heavy group to great effect to complete almost all high-level PvE areas. The job of a Minion Bomber has since the release of Nightfall traditionally been delegated to a hero, though since the addition of the minion panel (default hotkey: Y) it has become easier to run on a human.

=*= Please give me a PvE Minion Master build =*=

This is a common PvE Minion Master build for a newbie:

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N/Mo Baseline Minion Master
Death Magic 12+3+1
Soul Reaping 10+1
Healing Prayers 8

Animate Flesh Golem | Animate Bone Fiend | Animate Bone Horror | Heal Area | Blood Of The Master[/build]

Three optional skills. Suitable extra skills are Dark Bond, Masochism, Rebirth/Resurrection Chant/Rebirth/Resurrection Chant, Well of Suffering, Rotting Flesh, Well of the Profane or even Deathly Swarm.

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Two optional skills. At least one of these should be an enchantment; Masochism is ideal for PvE, Infuse Condition is also fine. Elite can be switched to Aura of the Lich or Order of Undeath for more advanced players. Signet of Lost Souls is a fine choice for Order of Undeath, and Masochism is strongly recommended for people running Order of Undeath. OoU builds should also look at Animate Vampiric Horror, but beware of thinking those minions can be your only source of self-heal during combat - the hit point bonus from their use isn't reliable, so they can't.

For these builds I recommend Minion Master's insignia on chest and legs; one other insignia must be Bloodstained, rest can be Radiant and attunements. A max HP in the low 400s is fine for the saccing purposes. The N/D build should use a staff with +20% enchantments or (ideally) a caster weapon with +5 energy and +20% enchantments, combined with an offhand featuring a perfect Master of My Domain inscription (Death Magic+1/20%) and possibly a +30hp focus core or a focus core of Aptitude. While you do not want a high max HP on a saccing MM the +30hp will make it possible to take an extra grade of rune for Soul Reaping without getting too fragile.

=== A comparison between the different Death Magic elites to use for the Minion Master templates ===

Many people have noted a disbelief about me recommending the use of Flesh Golem above, since it is a deeply rooted conception on this forum that Flesh Golem is a "terrible elite". While it is true that it is rarely the strongest elite skill to run for an MM in any area, it is by far the easiest one. You cannot go wrong with a Golem. It will be there, big, slow and dumb, providing a good anchor for Dark Bond, doing some damage and... well... be big.

Aura of the Lich halves your maximum health and halves the sacrifice costs, percentage-wise, on top of that. This makes a minion army ridiculously easy to maintain, since you can use Blood of the Master more or less on-recharge and counteract the health loss with pip-based health regeneration. In other words, if you're interested in raising 10 minions and keep 10 minions at all times, you should definitely use Aura of the Lich. However, it is important to note the downside of AoTL, which is a very, very low maximum health. While you won't take full damage and degeneration rarely is a problem using a Mystic Regeneration-build, you can be easily spiked to death by life stealing skills from monsters. This makes knowing the area you're about to get into paramount.

Order of Undeath is the ultimate damage skill for a traditional Minion Master. It will raise the damage output from your minions by a considerable degree - much more, percentage-wise, in higher level areas, where the monsters will not take very much damage from low level minions, but the armor ignoring damage from OoU will get through to full effect.

The downside of this elite is that it is downright scary for a newbie to use. It is incredibly energy-intense, requiring you to put in 2 energy/second to maintain (less with Masochism), and comes with a heavy investment in sacrificing costs, requiring yet more energy spent on healing. This, in my opinion, immediately disqualifies it for inclusion in a newbie bar. It is important to note that maintaining the Order isn't enough. You must actually make sure to run Blood of the Master while the order is in effect oftentimes, and this is where new minion masters almost invariably fail, leading to the destruction of their army. However, it is my definite opinion that the best conceivable PvE minion master is one good enough to run Order of Undeath with a reasonable minion differential, as much Order coverage as possible and a full army.

Other Death Magic elites are weak for an MM in a PvE setting. Tainted Flesh, once run with some regularity by human MMs during Prophecies, simply provides immunity against a condition not all that prevalent in PvE, while inflicting it on the enemy. Since you will usually be fighting non-human foes, it's a stronger play to simply bring Rotting Flesh in almost all cases. Even then, it should be noted that health degeneration rarely is that effective in PvE. The usage of Jagged Bones and why this spell is incompatible with traditional MM behavior has been discussed - you do not want a skill as a MM that will simply weaken your wall. Other options, like Toxic Chill, Icy Veins and the likes, can summarily be dismissed as trash.

"Go For The Eyes!" is a nice spell bringing with a minion master that will raise the damage by a few notches, since it affects all allies and does not require using an attack skill (of which minions have none.) A few PvE-only skills are noteworthy for its huge boosts to MM armies, namely Ebon Battle Standard Of Honor and Ursan Roar. Both these skills will stack to raise minion damage output by armor ignoring boosts. Combining this with Order of Undeath (+15+15+16) can ensure all your minions strike for at least 46 damage per hit at max title levels. It is also important to note that Barbs and Mark of Pain does not mind who is attacking a given target either, and all minions do physical damage.

=== Please give me a PvE Hero Minion Bomber build ===

This is a good tested PvE Hero Minion Bomber build:

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The secondary is changeable to, for example, Rt, P, Me, depending on what you want from your hero. The elite isn't crucial. The only two truly indispensable skills are Animate Bone Minions and Death Nova. Other skills to consider are Putrid Flesh, Taste of Death and Martyr. Taste of Death means you can forget Dark Bond and maybe Feast for the Dead. This is only a baseline build performing three simple functions, producing minion decoys, doing damage with these and clearing conditions.

Moloch Vein · Jan 07, 2008, 03:21 AM // 03:21

=*= Hexes and Hexing =*=

Curses are the second most well-known aspect of the necromancer. A typical Curses skill is a spell adversely affecting one or more foes, not by damage, but by a malus over time. This time is usually considerably longer than what is the case for any other class' hexes. A mesmer typically focuses on short-term hexes and spells producing a strong negative effect, be it an interrupt, disabling a skill or inducing a devastating condition like Blindness to one single foe. Necromancers typically make use of blanket hexes slowly breaking down the enemy.

By far the most popular and sought PvE hexer in the game is the Spiteful Spirit (or "SS") necromancer. This, simply and generally speaking, is because there is no stronger PvE hex in the game. The elite spell Spiteful Spirit deals armor-ignoring damage to target and adjacent foes whenever it attacks or uses a skill. While in effect, the hex will either simply produce great pressure to an enemy mob or kill it outright. Combined with other skills in the same spell line focused on further disabling large groups of enemies, through miss chances, Weakness and more, you have the base for an extremely strong skill bar.

It is also possible to create a viable PvE hex build through heavy investment in Blood Magic. These builds almost invariably run Spoil Victor as the elite skill. They suffer from the fact that Blood Magic is not a very versatile line when it comes to hexes, but this is somewhat compensated by Spoil Victor being so strong. SV builds can run with skills from secondaries, hybrid speccing into Curses and more. They can also take the form of bars concentrating both on party augmentation and offensive hexing.

=*= Please give me a PvE SS Curser build =*=

This is a common PvE SS build suitable for a newbie:

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Two optional skills. Several PvE-only skills are strong for this build. Options include Necrosis, Pain Inverter and others. Sometimes you'll bring Spinal Shivers for a one-skill interrupt-all shutdown. If you simply need one cheap manual interrupt you should bring Power Return from the Mesmer Fast Casting line - it's the cheapest and fastest recharging non-elite interrupt spell in the game, and its malus is completely harmless in normal PvE play. For Nightfall areas skills like Vocal Minority or Ulcerous Lungs (VM preferred but -8 health degeneration on one skill isn't too shabby even in PvE) become strong against paragon crowds.

Beware of spreading your attribute points. Every point you sacrifice out of Soul Reaping makes you more of a mesmer and less of a necromancer, and in PvE, that's not a good thing. One common newbie mistake is speccing Domination at something like 9 and bringing Empathy instead of, for example, Arcane Echo. It's a very weak play if you consider the spell's effect at such a limited strength, even after Empathy's buff.

I've included Reckless Haste in the "core" build for this role. Reason for this is that a PvE necromancer build that's supposed to be able to fight a modicum of hex removal capability from monsters would do well with including an AoE hex spell. Options here are Suffering or Reckless Haste. Shadow of Fear and Meekness are counter-productive. Suffering is a spell lacking any effect in PvE except that of a cover/fish-hex. Reckless Haste, while heavily nerfed with respect to duration and cost, still does something very useful.

Insidious Parasite is a crutch-skill and is not necessary after you've mastered your role, generally speaking. It can still be strong. Parasitic Bond can be used as a cheap cover hex. Arcane Echo isn't really necessary. The key skills of the build are simply Spiteful Spirit and Enfeebling Blood.

If you are running with many physical henchmen, friends or heroes, bring Barbs and/or Mark of Pain for extra damage.

=*= Please give me a PvE SV build and tell me how to play it =*=

The mode of operation of a PvE SV necromancer is to stick SV on a target, wait for it to go below the health where the hex stops triggering, and finish it off with spike skills, alternately simply leave the finishing to the team mates. Thus, if you manage to hex and cover your target, you should let it be. It'll kill itself.

Bone minions (or minions in general) make a great addition to a team where a SV is present and vice versa, for obvious reason.

General template:

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N/Me Baseline Spoil Victor Necromancer
Blood Magic 12+3+1
Soul Reaping 12+1

Arcane Echo | Spoil Victor | Life Siphon

Five optional skills. Now, before we continue. The reason this starter build is so poorly fleshed out (to be honest even Life Siphon isn't all that wonderful, and Arcane Echo is also changeable) is that first of all, there's a fair bit of creative thinking involved in constructing a working hex build with a high spec in the Blood Magic line. It's a line with little utility for that purpose. Second, the final build depends on if you are running with mainly casters or with mainly melee friends.

Skills to consider from the Blood Magic line would be:

Order of Pain, Dark Fury, Mark of Fury, Strip Enchantment, Blood Ritual, Well of Blood.

A skill like Mark of Subversion sadly isn't much of an option due to a huge recharge and limited PvE utility.

If we are running with physicals, your damage addition and utility to the team will most often be highest through extensive use of Order spells. You enter an offensive hexing role mostly against powerful boss monsters and healers. the final result might be something like this:

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Now, if we run with mostly casters and thus desire a build performing an offensive hexing function throughout:

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As you see, the final builds differ quite a lot.

=*= A little something about PvP and hexes =*=

The necromancer isn't a very strong class in high-end PvP anymore. This is because some possibilities permitting the necromancer to make effective use of his primary attribute in PvP have been removed and many necromancer skills have been weakened for a PvP purpose. This isn't the place to go into those changes and their impact on the meta-game, and more than that, I am not exactly qualified to write about it. However, necromancers are still very viable in low- to midrange PvP. Generally speaking, the more deaths in an area, the stronger the necromancer. This is also true for PvP. Above all else, necromancers make great characters for Alliance Battles, which border on PvE in their playing style, with an abundance of NPCs and weak opponents.

The most common builds for an AB necromancer are SS and MM builds. This isn't to say they're the best, just the most common, and among the easiest to grasp. For an MM build, variations of the N/D Mystic Regeneration builds have become popular. When it comes to hexes, I have written a little below.

=*= Please give me a good PvP Blood build for Alliance Battles and Random Arenas =*=

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One optional skill. Optional include a Resurrection skill for RA (Resurrection Signet or possibly Death Pact Signet), Well of Blood for AB (this one is a no-brainer for AB), a speed boost like Dash, Gaze of Contempt, Jaundiced Gaze, and maybe some sort of interrupt or snare. Vampiric Swarm isn't too good in RA but works fine versus poor AB mobs.

Elite can be replaced by Soul Leech or Life Transfer. Life Transfer is a very weak elite with an atrocious recharge, but new players like it, and it adds marginally to their survival without them having to really think about who they are casting on. If using Life Transfer at least consider bringing Glyph of Swiftness or Arcane Echo. Soul Leech will add massively to your survival if used correctly, and Spoil Victor is perhaps the deadliest hex spell in the game. This is a resilient build that works fairly well.

=== Please give me a good SS build to use in Alliance Battles ===

A decent SS build will prove pretty effective in Alliance Battles on several maps. It takes advantage of NPCs and human players mobbing, and can provide some nice pressure. There are other builds better suited to take down a single target, but many people frequently run SS builds in AB with good effect.

This is an example:

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Usage is straight-forward; Spiteful on any, Insidious and Price on physical, Defile Defenses on rangers, assassins and maybe monks. Especially make sure to cast Price under Swiftness. A simple enchantment and a speed boost add to the survivability of the build. Optional replacement skills are the Curses wells for corpse denial/corpse utilization (Well of Weariness is especially good for the former), Suffering for an AoE hex, Desecrate or Defile Enchantments for assisting in shrine capping, and many others - use your common sense.

For all PvP builds demonstrated please consider your max HP. If you're running with a superior rune or even a major rune (not really recommended), invest heavily in vitae, survivor, etc. A max energy around 50 is perfectly fine.

Moloch Vein · Jan 07, 2008, 03:21 AM // 03:21

=*= Necromancer support functions =*=

This will discuss the role of the backline necromancer. A backline N works as either an energy machine, an augmenter of damage or a straight healer.

The PvE necromancer healer might be described as a "gimmick function", since it does not use necromancer skills to perform its job. That doesn't mean it can't be very effective. More than that, it is a definite advantage that a class is able to heal. Often, you might be trying to complete a task with heroes or heroes and henchmen, and there is a world of difference between a human healer and an AI healer. In some cases, being able to switch to a healing function might be what separates you from failure.

An energy or damage-buff N usually works with massive health sacrificing. This makes the character extremely fragile. Thus a person running one of these builds must make sure to get in as little touch with the enemy as humanly possible. Pun intended, because you would do well not to run these builds on a hero without extensive micromanagement.

=*= How do I heal using a Necromancer primary, when the Necromancer primary includes almost no healing spells? =*=

An N healer uses almost exclusively spells from the Ritualist or Monk spell lines, combined with a high spec into Soul Reaping. Basically the build takes advantage of the seemingly inexhaustible supply of energy from Soul Reaping in normal PvE where stuff dies like there is no tomorrow, to channel it into party healing.

This is an example of a N/Rt healer:

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=*= A couple of notes regarding Necromancer healers =*=

Necromancer healers in PvE, as stated above, bank on Soul Reaping to provide them with better energy management than any other healer primary. If this isn't the case (lack of deaths etc.) you should obviously not run it. A N healer will have to work overtime to compensate for (and supersede) the benefits from Divine Favor and (much less so) the rune benefits from main Rt healers. Thus the main question for an N healer shouldn't be "how much healing per energy" as much as "how much healing per second." This makes, for example, Glimmer of Light a better choice for an N/Mo than for a Mo/x.

=*= What is a BiP Necromancer and how do I create and run one? =*=

A BiP Necromancer (now referred to as simply a BiP) functions as an energy engine for the team. His main function is to cast Blood is Power on all casters on the team to give them a taste of the insane energy regeneration capabilities in PvE that Necromancers take for granted. A competent BiP will be able to ensure that every caster in the group can spam more or less all his spells on recharge without having to worry about energy, provided that they do not run terrible builds.

A BiP is the ultimate backline of the party and should do his best to stay further away from the enemy than even the monks. Only the Orders necromancer can get away with a more retracted standard position in the party.

Continuously casting BiP on party members involves a ton of sacrificing health. This means the BiP needs a method to counteract these sacrifices. The most common "general" solution is reducing your max health from use of superior runes to a more manageable level, where pip-based regeneration can take care of your health. This way you run on 55-200hp depending on the situation. Other BiP characters run on 1 hit point. This involves equipping a "55 set" and suiciding one or more (preferably down to 60dp) times. When you only have 1 hit point you do not take damage from any sacrificing skill.

Example of a generic BiP build follows;

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Baseline BiP
Blood Magic 12+3+1
Soul Reaping 12+3

Blood Is Power | Blood Renewal

Six optional skills.

No, I'm not kidding. It should also be noted that Blood Magic does not have to be 12. 10 will do fine (totalling 14). 9 (totalling 13) will also do fine if you do not use Well of Blood. You also might not need Blood Renewal. The extra skills provided depend solely on the area and the specific support role you might be asked to fulfill in addition to your blood spam.

One thing - Blood Ritual is a terrible spell for a BiP and almost never worth a slot. It requires you to get in touch range, gives less energy regeneration, and has a longer casting time.

There are tons of PvE-only skills that would synergize very well with a BiP build. Options include the Battle Standards and many others, check for yourselves.

Some specific, fleshed-out BiP builds follow:

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This is a BiP/Orders hybrid build derived from one that was much in use in The Deep (and still is for those who run the Steel Wall build.) Unlike those builds for that team, this one works with an active front line. It's designed to be run on a moderately low health bar, around maybe 200 hit points. Two different non-conflicting Orders are maintained in battle, along with BiP on the casters. Health and energy is maintained both through the N enchantments and through the Command shouts. The Command shouts are chosen to not be those that Paragons generally bring too often in battle, and to be somewhat selfish. Those shouts are eminently replaceable, however, unless you want to build some adrenaline, don't use a shout like Go For The Eyes, even though it would be attractive with the high specced Command.

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N/R DoA BiP Spirit Support
Blood Magic 10+3+1
Soul Reaping 5+3
Beast Mastery 12
Wilderness Survival 6

Masochism | Blood Is Power | Symbiosis | Edge Of Extinction | Brambles

Three optional skills. This is a simple variant of the Domain of Anguish builds that were used to farm the Stygian Veil, Tank'n'Spank style, quite regularily up until a while ago. It illustrates how bizarre the build can get. This is run with 1 hit point. Spirits are kept up at all times, BiP is spammed with no interrupt.

=*= What is an Orders necromancer, how do I run one and what is its build? =*=

A dedicated Orders necromancer is usually one running Order of the Vampire. His function is to keep up this party-wide enchantment at all (or close to all) times in order to buff the damage of and heal the physicals on the team. The most "traditional" example of an Orders necromancer is the one in Tombs of the Primeval Kings running as a part of a Barrage/Pet team to group-farm this area.

An Orders necromancer has an easy job. He avoids enemy contact altogether. His main function can be accomplished as long as he is within radar range of the party. Since he is sacrificing health a lot, staying out of touch of the enemy isn't a bad thing. However for some additional functions he does need to be in casting range of the party (of course not in casting range of the enemy.) Basically speaking, running an Order is like running a very simple BiP.

A while ago much was said about "constant Orders coverage", meaning you should bring both Order of Pain and Order of the Vampire. This is silly. You're better off to keep Order of the Vampire up and running as much as possible, since the two Orders conflict.

A traditional example build, suitable for running in Tombs with no change, follows;

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As is the case for the BiP health should be run low, anything around 55-200hp is suitable depending on the area (and in this case on the level of the Tomb.)

Several PvE-only skills would be strong to include in this build, as the Battle Standards, Great Dwarf Armor, Great Dwarf Weapon, Mindbender and more.

Moloch Vein · Jan 07, 2008, 03:22 AM // 03:22

=*= Miscellaneous =*=

Here I have put those tiny bits of information that didn't find a place in the beforehand categories. Things might be added here sporadically, not that it won't be added in the other compartments. Simple fringe questions that will be asked in this forum might be answered here.

=*= How do I beat the Bison tournament with a Necromancer? =*=

You should do what every other caster does and go /Rt. Use this build which works with every caster primary (and, as a matter of fact, with any primary):

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Raise all spirits at the doorstep, use Painful Bond and watch target die. Read the description of the spirits so you know what each do.

If you feel this is beneath you, you shouldn't ask the question in the necromancer forum but rather make your own build to own everything, so you can feel elite. One hint would be Spoil Victor combined with a 55 farming build. There are other options as well. Figure it out for yourself.

One side note is that you can use this general build to beat the Glacial Griffon in the quest "Cold As Ice". You will just need to include Summon Spirits and Gaze of Fury.

=*= How do I make a "55" Necromancer for farming? =*=

You need an armor with all superior runes. You should get a cheap armor for this, because armor level does not matter. Which exact runes you use isn't very important, though with the prices of runes being so low at the moment, going with one of each isn't bad. The insignia should be Radiant for all armor pieces.

You need one -50hp Grim Cesta, obtained as a reward for completing the quest Cities of Ascalon from Symon the Scribe in Ascalon City (post-Searing.) You should also preferably have one "caster weapon" - this is a martial weapon with +5 energy and +20 enchantment duration. The "Totem Axe" is the most common item used.

Example build follows:

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(Note: Blood Magic must be 5 in order to gain the energy bonus from the offhand.)

Two optional skills. This is only the bare essentials of N farming; I can not cover it in detail in this thread. Elite can be changed to Spoil Victor. Please use the search function to find more information.

=*= What are "Sab's Hero Builds" and what is the meaning of "Synergy"? =*=

What is commonly referred to as "Sab's builds" are three Necromancer general purpose hero builds presented by the user Sab on this forum. They work on the simple principle outlined before, with a Soul Reaping powered caster team featuring a Minion Bomber as the energy machine.

The meaning of "synergy", quite literally, is the sum being greater than its parts. In this sense necromancers maintain excellent synergy with each other, since all necromancers both drive their energy on deaths and have the power to create artificial deaths. The only other class maintaining synergy with itself to anywhere near this degree are Paragons.

What this means, generally speaking, is that the more necromancers there are on a team, the more you will want to add another one. While, for example, an E/x running a warder build will be stronger than an N/E if seen as a single unit, this might not be true on a party with a minion bomber and perhaps several other necromancers present. While a Mo/x will be able to heal better, this might not be true either in these cases.

Necromancers synergize well with physicals. This is because there are several strong support tools in the N line to augment physical damage and utility. While they can obviously team with any class, they will not match so well with, for example, an elementalist. The dream match for the necromancer is the paragon. This is true for many reasons, two of which being that the paragon can benefit from the N physical buffs, while the necromancer - and even his minions, sometimes - can benefit from the paragon defensive and augmenting chant webs in return.

Understanding the synergies between classes and skills is essential for proper play. It is doubly essential for necromancers, since the class has so good synergy options.

=*= Give me an example of a synergizing team build =*=

A team build using exclusively necromancers is normally an example of what I prefer to call "Synergy Level 1". Its only synergy is the creation of minions, which all the necromancers on the team use as an energy machine.

A simple example of a more advanced synergy follows:

Quote:

Death Necromancer
Death Magic 12

Animate Bone Fiend

Curses Necromancer
Curses 12

Barbs | Mark Of Pain

Command Paragon
Command 12

Go for the Eyes

Here we have examples of several levels of synergy.

The minion master on the team provides minions. These provide the two necromancers on the team with energy. They also provide the paragon with energy through Leadership affecting the minions.

The hexer curses the foes. He augments the damage of the minions, as well as the damage of the paragon.

The paragon augments the damage of the minions via "Go For The Eyes!".

=*= What is a good necromancer build to use in conjunction with physical players, heroes and henchmen? =*=

Run this:

Quote:

N/A Mark of Pain Nuker
Curses 12+1+1
Soul Reaping 10+1
Deadly Arts 8

Barbs | Mark of Pain | Rigor Mortis | Assassin's Promise

Four optional skills. The key is calling targets for focused fire. The Assassin elite will recharge the long-recharge hexes. Almost any Curses skill is a good match for this bar - especially those who aren't commonly used in PvE due to their hefty recharge. Commonly used options are Meekness, Shadow Of Fear, Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support, "Finish Him!", Enfeebling Blood, Technobabble (this one is especially great versus healers), Well of Darkness... you name it.

Silly Warrior · Jan 07, 2008, 03:26 AM // 03:26

For Gurus ongoing quest to get the information to new players out there, Moloch Vein has volunteered the time to make this guide.

This is now the official necromancy guide to Guru in Campfire!

Ask questions here regarding the class, and provide constructive criticism.

Thanks.

-Silly

Cherng Butter · Jan 07, 2008, 04:04 AM // 04:04

You write very well. Nice guide for beginners.

jayce · Jan 07, 2008, 04:52 AM // 04:52

nice job Moloch Vein on the guide. covers lots of material thats bound to come in handy. thanks guru for helping to get this message out.

Jayce Of Underworld

Chthon · Jan 07, 2008, 07:21 AM // 07:21

I approve completely. This guide does a great job of paring things down to the basics and explaining them in a simplified, easy-to-understand way; of pointing out places where more advanced issues exist, without actually getting into them and bogging down; and of clearly identifying which skills are essential and which skills are "training wheels." As the guide for beginning players it was intended to be, this guide is comprehensive and there is nothing in it that I can say I disagree with.

This guide gets a great big SEAL OF APPROVAL as far as I'm concerned. Excellent work.

The Riven · Jan 07, 2008, 09:51 AM // 09:51

Very nice work Moloch, great guide.

antonchefkok · Jan 07, 2008, 10:06 AM // 10:06

nice guide. would been usefull some time ago!

Earth · Jan 07, 2008, 11:40 AM // 11:40

I still believe Jagged Bones should be in there with the MM builds.

Nice guide though, it's very clear.

EDIT: I just re-read it, and I think you should add the 55/SV build for Bison. They learn nothing about being a necro with the /Rt build - even though it is effective.

Ensign · Jan 07, 2008, 01:30 PM // 13:30

A minion master at it's core is just two skills, Animate Bone Fiend and Blood of the Master, with a whole lot of attribute points. A second minion for ramping up and a self heal are huge improvements on that core, and some skill that serves that purpose will be on virtually every bar, but they're clearly secondary.

Flesh Golem is bad because it doesn't really add anything to the build. Unlike the other Death elites, which give you abilities that change the way your character plays, or cross-class elites that provide new abilities, Flesh Golem just makes your minion selection incrementally better for the most part. That's pretty crappy for what should be one of the most powerful skills on your bar, but if you're still getting used to the energy flow on the basics there's nothing wrong with taking Golem since none of the elites are really essential.

In theory there's nothing stopping you from running a hybrid master/bomber build, since the core of each is so compact; Animate Bone Fiend, Blood of the Master, Heal Area; Animate Bone Minions, Jagged Bones, Death Nova, Taste of Death, res of choice. Besides being an enormous pain in the ass to micromanage, you run into a couple of significant walls. First, that the main limiting factor for either strategy, in all but the easiest areas, is the supply or corpses. Without a surplus of corpses you're not getting a numerical advantage from having both options available, just potentially tactical ones - counterbalanced by a pure bomber or a pure master getting a numerical advantage from those extra slots being filled by support. The other is that the energy on such a hybrid minion character is abysmal, as to get the benefits of the hybrid you really need to be playing both roles at once. As mentioned it's a pain in the ass to micro, and the advantages you get are strategic not numerical. It's not necessarily a bad idea, but it's not for the uninitiated either.

Emik · Jan 07, 2008, 01:51 PM // 13:51

I've been working on a variant of the typical order build.
I changed the secondary to Dervish mainly because the enchantments can't be stripped that easily when in Tombs for instance.

N/D Regenerating Order

Blood Magic: 12+1+3
Soul Reaping: 9+3
Earth Prayers: 9

[skill]Order of the Vampire[/skill][skill]Order of Pain[/skill]Masochism[skill]Blood Renewal[/skill][skill]Signet of Pious Light[/skill][skill]Vital Boon[/skill][skill]Mystic Regeneration[/skill][skill]Blood Ritual[/skill]

Weapon usage:
I used a Spear of Enchanting with the -50 offhand.
Too keep your HP low but not too low to make yourself vulnerable.
Benefits of an Order is that you don't actively have to take part in the fight so you can stand in the back enduring your lifespan.

I've tested this build and it worked pretty fine for me.
It does require you to keep various things in mind at all times.
But it is a build with a lot of potential imo.

Build is open for comments of course.

Moloch Vein · Jan 07, 2008, 02:07 PM // 14:07

^ Running N/D for Orders is a very simple and comfortable option. Since the Order will affect you as well it will add to your health regeneration. The downside is that apart from the Order and the Blood Ritual, you aren't going to pack a single utility devoted to doing anything other than keeping yourself alive. That is a waste for a character which relies on so few skills to perform his main function.

Vital Boon in that build looks pretty weird. Mystic Regeneration + Blood Renewal is overkill. Order of Pain + Order of the Vampire is counterproductive.

Emik · Jan 07, 2008, 02:32 PM // 14:32

OotV and OoP have always been counterproductive since the OotV nerf.
I have a 10% spell recharge inscription on my spear.
When OotV gets the recharge reduction I recast it.
Vital Boon is in the build for sheer safety measures tbh.
I seem to notice I almost never use it unless I have to leg it.
That's when VB and SoPL come in handy.
Apart from that you're quite right that there are a lot of healing measures in the build but that is mainly because I haven't really found anything to put in the build that can give me a benefit.

Moloch Vein · Jan 07, 2008, 02:46 PM // 14:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emik

Apart from that you're quite right that there are a lot of healing measures in the build but that is mainly because I haven't really found anything to put in the build that can give me a benefit.

Now, I really don't want to write this on your nose or anything, but that's the problem right there in your line of thinking. It's not to give you a benefit. You're a support character. Nothing on your bar should be there for your own benefit unless you can't help it.

Things to put in the bar to give your party a benefit are Aegis, Protective Spirit, Shelter, Union, Protective Was Kaolai, Guardian, Recuperation, Displacement, Ballad of Restoration, Zealous Anthem, Life, Mending Refrain... Hell, even Healing Breeze... need I go on?

Also you can't go into Tombs as an Orders necromancer without a hard resurrection skill if you want to be well liked

Bringing both Order of Pain and Order of the Vampire in an Orders build is a leftover from the days when those enchantments stacked. That hasn't been the case for a long time, and nowadays, the practice is terrible. Your Order lasts for 6 seconds. The recharge is 5 and the CT is 2. Do you really think you're better off (assuming you time it perfectly every time) with "constant coverage" of half elite and half sub-par Order than maintaining Order of the Vampire for 6 out of 7 seconds at all times?

Again, not trying to be rude, just making discussion.

Jagged · Jan 07, 2008, 03:20 PM // 15:20

Yay for Moloch. Great guide!

TalanRoarer · Jan 07, 2008, 06:48 PM // 18:48

Mol i thought you were great..
changed my mind now
Your not great .. Your a legend

!
Nice guide btw ^ ^

Chthon · Jan 07, 2008, 08:37 PM // 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

In theory there's nothing stopping you from running a hybrid master/bomber build, since the core of each is so compact; Animate Bone Fiend, Blood of the Master, Heal Area; Animate Bone Minions, Jagged Bones, Death Nova, Taste of Death, res of choice. Besides being an enormous pain in the ass to micromanage, you run into a couple of significant walls. First, that the main limiting factor for either strategy, in all but the easiest areas, is the supply or corpses. Without a surplus of corpses you're not getting a numerical advantage from having both options available, just potentially tactical ones - counterbalanced by a pure bomber or a pure master getting a numerical advantage from those extra slots being filled by support. The other is that the energy on such a hybrid minion character is abysmal, as to get the benefits of the hybrid you really need to be playing both roles at once. As mentioned it's a pain in the ass to micro, and the advantages you get are strategic not numerical. It's not necessarily a bad idea, but it's not for the uninitiated either.

With this, I must disagree. (With the rest of the post I agree.) The problematic limit that keeps MM's and MB's incompatible is not skillslots, attribute points, energy, or even corpses; it's minion slots. You have room for only 10 minions, and the two builds each want to spend those spaces in a way that's counterproductive to the other. The MM's main outputs -- minion damage and tanking -- both require a maximum number of minions with maximum stats. Every time you fill up a minion slot with a bone minion or jagged horror, you're working against that. The MB's main outputs -- explosion damage/conditions and SR generation -- depend on the frequency of explosions, which, in turn, relies on the frequency of cheap, expendable minions wandering into good explosion locations, which, in turn, is a function of the supply of cheap, expendable minions. Every time you fill a minion slot with a minion that you'd be foolish to blow up, you're working against that. (I think, to nitpick a bit, that maybe you could say that a MB only needs 6 or 8 minion slots or so to keep a steady stream of minions wandering into good explosion locations. So maybe your attempt at hybridizing isn't cutting into your MB abilities until you start cutting into those 6 or 8 slots with expensive minions.) With only 10 minion slots available, you never get a numerical advantage.

In fact, you have a numerical disadvantage. The fact that each side of the build is taking roughly half the minion slots the other needs away from it could maybe be forgiven if the effect it had on overall output was also a linear one-half reduction, since 1/2 + 1/2 = 1 after all. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Going from 10 minions slots to 5 reduces the effectiveness of the MM and MB by more than 50% each. Though the MM is only losing half its DPS, it's also losing more than half of its ability to quickly take a monster out of play before it gets a chance to hit back or heal. (Arguably, you could say it's losing more than half its DPS too by being forced into JB instead of OoU.) Though the MM is only losing half its army's BADITTKY (Before-Armor Damage It Takes To Kill You; a measure of survivability), it's losing more than half its overall tanking power due to this decreased BADITTKY plus decreased "presence." With only half as many high-survivability (for a minion) minions around, the odds of having a high-survivability minion in the right place at the right time to distract (and then hold) each monster drops. Similarly, decreased presence is going to reduce by more than half the MB's ability to take full advantage of its AoE effects by reducing the odds of having a detonate-able minion in the right place at the right time to score a big AoE hit at any given moment. With each side of the build doing its job less than half as well as the full build, the hybrid turns out worse than either full build.

The way around the minion slot limitation would be to play the hybrid in a one-role-at-a-time manner. Switch back and forth between all-out MMing and all-out MBing as conditions change. Still no numerical advantage, but at least you have a tactical advantage. Unfortunately, the cost of this tactical advantage is that half of your skillbar is totally fallow at any given moment. As compared to picking one build or the other and filling out those spaces with always-useful damage/support/utility skills, I really can't see the ability to switch between MM and MB on the fly as a worthwhile thing to do.

In sum, a hybrid MM/MB is just a bad idea. Trying to play both roles at once leaves you doing each role less than half as well as a full build could. And playing both roles alternately is a suboptimal use of skillslots.